Bayard & Holmes Free Speech Peace Initiative

By Bayard & Holmes

Here at Bayard & Holmes, we are dedicated to solving the toughest problems, up to and including world peace. Since peace begins at home, we are going to take a look at some domestic terrorists today and propose our win/win solution at an international level.

We’re sure you’ve heard of the Westboro Baptists. They’re the folks who go around protesting the funerals of our brave men and women who have given their lives in service to our country. The church is 90% made up of one family, Fred Phelps and his progeny. The other 10% are folks who simply missed the David Koresh bandwagon and took this as a Plan B.

The Westboro message? God hates you. God hates and kills American soldiers because they fight to defend a country that allows gay people to openly exist. Even though Westboro preaches a message of religious hate, and even though they incite millions of veterans to want to do violence, a recent 8-1 US Supreme Court decision supports their free speech right to verbally assault people during their most personal, sacred moments.

Hold that thought.

The competing media whore and quintessential beme of Ko-Ran burning fame, the Rev. Terry Jones, set out to protest Islam in front of the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan on Friday. Dearborn met his wacko and raised him one high-profile lawsuit. Creepily reminiscent of the Tom Cruise movie, Minority Report, Dearborn District Court tried Mr. Jones for something he might do.

Prosecutors filed a case against Mr. Jones in connection with his planned protest. At a jury trial, the jury decided Jones’ purpose was to say or do something that would incite violence, and he would “likely” create a “breach of peace.” His permit was denied.

So how are these two cases different? The Westboro case was based on actual events that really happened, and it was focused on a freedom of speech issue. The Jones case anticipated actions which had not yet taken place, and involved a city permit. That permit was denied based on the decision that Jones’ message would “likely” incite violence [in the Muslim community]. This was done even though, according to Professor Sedler of Wayne State University Law School, the US Supreme Court has said that a permit cannot be denied because of the message.

Taken as a whole, the court system is saying that five million American veterans who would love to assault the Westboro Baptists can be trusted to respect the laws and constitution of this country, but that we cannot trust the Muslim citizens of Dearborn for the same civil behavior. Frankly, if we were Muslims, we would be insulted by that.

Just as an aside, we wonder how the courts will rule when the Westboro Baptists protest the funeral of a Muslim-American soldier. . . . But we digress.

Now, how does this all tie into our latest Bayard & Holmes Peace Initiative? So glad you asked. . . .

It just so happens that, at the same time that these two quasi-religious groups are under scrutiny here in the US, the (not very) Communist Republic of China is busy rounding up Christians for attempting to celebrate Easter mass. Communist China has not generally tolerated religion since Mao Tse Tung’s Red Army defeated Chiang Kai Shek’s Nationalist forces on mainland China in 1950. In fact, not only have they continued to suppress Christian worship, but in recent years, the Chinese have become more concerned with radical Islamic groups in far Western China, as well.

That’s why we see this all adding up to a match made in heaven. Unlike the USA, China is virtually devoid of active Christians. We see a vacuum that needs to be filled. We propose the following solution:

The flaming imbecileslovely folks at Westboro tell us they protest at veterans’ funerals because they are instructed by God to do so. In addition, the Westboro folks have said they are 100% certain that God will protect them against harm during their protest activities. We admire people with such faith and devotion, and we support it wholeheartedly. Christians 100% protected by God are exactly what China needs, and with approximately 25,000 deaths a day in that country, that would give the Westboro burial specialists plenty of work to keep them busy. With their Teflon Religious Powers, it won’t impose on them at all when China rounds them up at Easter time, and they would be a wonderful, loud diversion from the sincere Christians around them who can only dream of the freedoms the Westboro Baptists abuse.

 

And as for the good “Reverend” Jones, he tells us that, in spite of his lack of any academic religious training, his words are inspired by his deep faith and dedication to God, and he knows what God wants. He enjoys targeting Muslims, and China is having a problem with its Muslim terrorists. What could be more attractive to the goons in Beijing than to send a Christian group to clean up the Muslim terrorists? Perhaps he could put a Muslim terrorist on trial in his mock courtroom, followed by a bit of Chinese barbecue at his church potluck. We’re sure that, with Rev. Jones on the job, those Western Chinese jihadis will all be behaving quite nicely in no time.

Indeed, China is obviously the perfect place for the underutilized divine talents of the Westboro Church and their kindred cousins in the flock of Rev. Jones. In fact, we hear God calling them there at this very moment. Normal, everyday Christians would know better than to travel to China with an opinion, an open mouth, or a match, but given the “special” relationship that these saintly people have with God, they should prosper unhindered in the Republic of China. We can’t wait for them to begin their ministry in the “Godless” lands of the Chin. Go get ‘em boys! We’re right behind you. About 10,000 miles behind you, sitting at our keyboards, sipping iced tea, and enjoying the freedom of speech that some people tastelessly abuse, but that secures freedom for all of us.  

What do you think of these cases? Do you agree with the Supreme Court in their Westboro decision? Do you agree with the Dearborn District Court in denying Rev. Jones his permit to protest? Why would the religious hate message to veterans’ families be protected speech, and the religious hate message to Muslims is not?

And on a different note, what other groups do you think we should send to China as a diplomatic gesture?

All the best to all of you for a week of enjoying your free speech.

Piper Bayard—The Pale Writer of the Apocalypse

Holmes—Student of Sex, C4, and Hollow Points

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33 comments to Bayard & Holmes Free Speech Peace Initiative

  1. Elizabeth says:

    Huh.

    What a fascinating perspective on the allowed/prohibited issue.

    You have inspired Thinking.

  2. Muhamad Kashin says:

    Perhaps you can organize a charity event to pay for them to take a nice vacation to Pakistan to teach their philosophy to the locals. Maybe some nice T-shirts with some humorus pictures of Westboros speaking to satan would sell well. I can ignore Jones but that Westboro fake preacher is so evil. He is like an American Bin-Ladin

    • Dave says:

      Inspired…I like the way you are thinking here. Everyone wins.

    • Piper Bayard says:

      Bayard: That’s a great idea. I’m sure Pakistan could make very good use of those Westboro folks. Interesting comparison to Bin-Ladin. The Westboros and Rev. Jones only do terrorists a favor by stirring the pot. In fact, I’ve often wondered where they get their funding. All that travel has to be expensive. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

  3. educlaytion says:

    So many thoughts. I need a list:

    1) Sigh. If only people who profess to be Christians would actually read the Bible. Good luck finding Jesus or Peter or Paul or anybody acting like these crusading yahoos.
    As a believer who actually investigates the source of my faith, I see a whole lot about loving others and zilch about hating.
    Too many messengers have bastardized a peaceful message for centuries. I understand the statement by Gandhi years ago who said of the British “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christian.”
    2) The free speech decisions are interesting. Reasonable limitations on the preferred freedom of speech have long been in place. You can’t use words to incite violence. I don’t know why the funeral protesters were protected. That’s just seems completely inconsistent with the intent of reasonable safeguards.
    3) China actually has one of the fastest growing Christian churches in the world but it sure ain’t easy for those folks and your satire is well placed against the Westboro imbeciles. If they’re so invincible then by all means someone get them in a super suit and on a plane.

    • Piper Bayard says:

      1) So true. And frankly, when Jesus, himself, doesn’t care enough to comment on homosexuality, it’s hard to swallow the notion that God is killing soldiers over it. And Gandhi is one of my favorites. I’m sure he must have played baseball at some point in his life.
      2) I was surprised, too, but to get 8 justices to agree on anything, they must have had some legitimate free speech arguements. It’s on my list of things to research because I would like to understand this. I think it will be one of the most important issues for civil obediance in the near future now that Islam is jumping into the fray.
      3)Lol. Yep. It’s easy to behave like ass clowns in America. I’d like to see how far their “principles” take them in a real conflict environment. I’m guessing not one of them would have the scars of the woman in the picture.
      Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts.

    • J Holmes says:

      Thanks Clay. Do you have estimates of numbers for the growth rate of Christians in China? I find that interesting but not surprising. As per “beliefnet.com,” there are 100 million Christians in Chinas today as compared to 75,000 registered communist party members. I am not particularly Christian, but having met lots of Christians and lots of communists, I prefer Christianity as a religion over the religion of communism any day. I wonder if some influence from the many Christian missionaries that were in China prior to WW-2 is having any influence today in China.

      I just read a history of China from prehistory to Mao. If you have any numbers please share them.

      Thanks,

      JH

    • Agreed for the most part.

  4. I love this. You always provide food for thought. And, I agree…send the protected lunatics to China. We sure don’t need them here causing more grief for the families of our fallen soldiers. I really don’t understand the Supreme Court decision in that case. I am all for protecting free speech, but there are some other things that need to be protected as well: Such as the ability of people to grieve for their loved ones without a circus going on around them. As a Christian, I don’t expect God to protect me just because of my beliefs. I expect that my beliefs may even cause issues. It’s how I handle any controversies that provide a glimpse into the strength and character of my faith.

    • Piper Bayard says:

      I haven’t read the whole decision, but as an educated guess, I’m betting it was likened to protesting abortion clinics. I am appalled that people would spend so much time and money spreading their message of hate, but I’m glad I live in a country where people are not assaulted and killed whenever they say things that offend others, even when they are heinous things. Thanks so much for the compliment and for stopping by and commenting.

  5. ellieswords says:

    Clay has summed it up so well I don’t know what else to say.
    Except include this funny and disturbing story: “Pastor” Jones, who apparently has a registered handgun license, accidentally FIRED it into the floorboard of his car as he was waiting in the FOX2 parking lot for an interview. The police were called, but because his paperwork checked out, no charges were made. He should get his handgun license revoked just for being so stupid, and, he’s obviously very bad with a gun. The *short version* story, here: http://bit.ly/iQhUoX
    This is an excellent post. You’re a pleasure to learn from.

    • Piper Bayard says:

      I know. This guy is the worst possible representative of Christianity, gun owners, old people, Floridians, Americans, people who eat bacon, people who wear moustaches, people who breathe air, . . . . What a shame the media has chosen to give him so much power. Thanks for the link, and thanks for stopping by and commenting.

  6. Dave says:

    I’d love to understand what legal distinction there is between these two cases. Being just a simple-minded engineer with 25 years of wading through BS, I’m forced to think that there is exactly none. In one case, the locals were worried there would be a ruckus in their backyard and decided they didn’t want to deal with it: permit denied. In the other case, the Supreme Court Justices don’t have dead sons or daughters with Westboro protesting at their funerals: protest away. Cases closed.

    • Piper Bayard says:

      It will be interesting to see how this legal battle plays out. Jones, like Westboro, is a most unsympathetic party. However, free speech benefits us all, and all citizens and visitors must embrace the social contract this country is based on if we are to maintain our freedoms. As Evelyn Beatrice Hall said, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it.” (Falsely attributed to Voltaire, btw.) I am grateful for the Westboros and Joneses in a way because they give us the opportunity to test our resolve and rededicate ourselves to our principles, even when they are not comfortable or convenient. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

  7. Author Kristen Lamb says:

    OMG…ROFL. I love this exchange program idea and maybe we can allow the Westboro Baptists the right to protest so long as they do it on the same day the Rangers need to qualify for long-distance shooting.

    No bullet wasted ;) .

  8. kadja1 says:

    They are not a church. They claim to be, but they are nothing more than a Political Activist group. Their tax-exempt status should have already been revoked. There is a memorial for a fallen soldier in Andrews, TX tomorrow…If they are smart, they will keep the hell away from there.

    • Piper Bayard says:

      I’m with you. They should absolutely not have any tax-exempt status as they are clearly political in their purpose. My sincere respect and gratitude for the fallen soldier, and my deepest sympathy for the family and community. Thank you for stopping by and commenting.

  9. Well, it’s unbelievable what people would do in the name of “faith”. My question for these people claiming to be Christians: If Jesus were to come on this present day and see what they’re doing, would he be happy or criticize them and throw them out like he did at the money changers?

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  11. kadja1 says:

    Hi Marilag! I think he’d throw ‘em out. It says “…Judgment begins with the House of God…” I wonder what they do with THAT one…

  12. These Westboro Baptist people make me sick, though they do have a right to speak their peace. While Bush was in office, he enacted a law that says that people can’t protest within 300 feet of a fallen soldier’s funeral 60 mintues prior and 60 minutes after- the Respect for America’s Fallen Heroes Act I think it’s called. As far as the other yahoo up there, the Rev. Jones – I don’t understand him. The muslim religion didn’t bring on 9/11, a bunch of radicals did…and let’s not forget that just about every religion has radicals like that, including Christians…

    • Piper Bayard says:

      Bayard: Yes. Which is why I think everyone would be served by putting the Westboro/Rev. Jones and their ilk into a bowl with the jihadis. Clamp down the lid tight. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

  13. I feel compelled therefore to start out by declaring that I find everything about the Westboro Baptist Church vile and repugnant. It seems to me that since we must live with Westboro we may as well learn something from it.

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  15. malia says:

    The fact the Westboro Baptist Church is so full of hatred towards others and so disrespectful and cold toward others’ pain shows me two things: they know nothing about Jesus; everything they stand for is exactly opposite of who God is. Secondly, they have so much hatred towards themselves with no mature way to deal with it they take it out on others. It’s how abuse works.

    Yet I am thankful I live in the US where we are allowed to speak freely, unlike a country like China…

    • Piper Bayard says:

      Good point, Malia. Kind of makes you wonder what sort of abuse brings about such a specific form of hatred. I have my suspicions. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

  16. amblerangel says:

    The big question is this- wood our dear Bible bearing friends get any good publicity? I live in Japan where many fled to China post earthquake. Many were reminded upon arrival of the censorship with email and Internet access noting just how severely limited information gleaning can be there…that doesn’t stop it from being an excellent suggestion however.

    • amblerangel says:

      That’s would…

    • Piper Bayard says:

      What an excellent perspective. Thank you for pointing out that the censorship in China would not allow these media hogs to fulfill their true missions. However, I’m sure the West would be happier if they were trying to get attention over there so I’ll take it. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

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